How long do we have to put up with this garbage?

A team which offers no threat beyond a hopeful up and under bear the line?

Poor recruitment

Poor selection

Poor substitute management

Weak goal-line defence

Soft forwards

Absolutely no self-belief

Shockingly stupid discipline

Teams not needing to play well to beat us

Enough. FFS. Enough.

Do we wait until Smith is back and see what happens?

Personally I'd give him until the end of the easter period

I do believe though that EMcM should be calling him in and asking to explain a few things

Don't think we will be much better when Smith returns, a better kicking game perhaps. KC's Plan Z is really zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

The Super league landscape has changed. Gone are the days where you could kick and scream when things weren't going your way, get a new coach in and bobs your uncle. Look at Huddersfield.

By the end of the Easter period, we could be where Leeds were last year. Do you see us beating Catalans away? No, me neither.

We have to stop making excuses. He's had more than 2 years of relative decline, and the same weaknesses, particularly a complete inability to attack.

This is bad. We shouldn't indulge in wishful thinking.

When was the last time you actually enjoyed watching Saints? You know, went with a smile on your face expecting an entertaining win. As opposed to went with a clenched @rse hoping we'd somehow scrape through?

He has to go.

Pretty much blaming the ref.... again

Yes! Definitely!

No team should sack their coach 4 games in. If the club was thinking of doing it, they should have done it the end of last season. The club backed him with his signings and we've got all his stuff in place so no way will sack him YET.

I think Smith will give us some direction and better kicking game but for me, it's Jonny lomax we miss big time. He's our threat on the edge and he scares the life out of teams.

Personally I'm not happy with some KC coaching and methods but I'd like to see us when lomax and Smith are on the field and fully fit Taia and LMS on the edges.

I agree

in fairness your lads gave it a real good go tonight, play with that passion and get lomax smith back and imo you wont be far away

Except it's not '4 games in' is it? It's 2 seasons and 4 games in of steady decline and it frustrates me when people insist on taking that short term view. If this was his first season I'd be agreeing with you but you are ignoring the fact that he is doing nothing but taking us backwards and has done since he too over.

Matty Smith is not the answer. Never was.