We look knackered and nearly every week now seems to be a titanic tussle, a constant frustrating struggle. You score we score, just getting control of the game? well here's a stupid knock on and poor defence, voila the opposition are back level.

Coming up we have warrington in the CC semi, then we are treated to saints at home, then in the league we have the joy of wigan away and hull away.

The games and schedule is about to get harder, and there has to be question marks about whether we will cope.

If you took our average points for and against from the first half of the season, and compared it now, I imagine you'd see a big decline.

Good god people moan saying the competition is too easy and moan when its a contest!

Salford and cas both gave as good as they got and we have done ok to get 3 of 4 points.I thoroughly enjoyed both games and long may this continue, its how it should be.

Enjoyed the game even though we lost. Leeds just had that little bit of extra something that saw them home. We've made vast improvements over the last month or so and we're starting to look the part, albeit a little late. I think we'll be a lot stronger next season.

Thought both sides could have won it but credit to Leeds for hanging in there.

Leeds completion rate was 69%.

Close games aren't a problem, when teams are going set for set like often happens in the latter playoff games. But when it's close because of teams incompetence, it's just frustrating to watch.

If you're happy with that, then good for you, you're in heaven right now.

Spot on, we've had to go to Salford at a much trickier time than Saints or Wigan.

3 months ago that would probably be a 30 point gap and "proof" of SL standards slipping and a performance we'd have to dismiss as the opposition were rubbish.

Well obviously things aren't going to get easier, they never do at this time of year for any team. We also haven't played our strongest 17 for a while and the squad as a whole should be fresher come the business end.

We miss Kirke

Hell of a lot more impressed with your guys compared to last time I watched you against wigan when I thought you looked lost.Harris seems to have had an affect and like you say,come next season you should be top fighting for the top half.

Coming from a guy who starts threads based on small runs of form the above means little. Surprised you didn't start a "this Hull team" thread after 50 mins of last nights game.

Not really.all I know is I enjoyed the game for what it was.were there mistakes? Plenty.would we win the GF playing like that? Certainly not.the game was good to watch though from where I was sitting.some nice tries,free flowing play,ebbs and flows and game in balance till the end.what more can you really ask for in a run of the mill regular round game?

69% Completion rate Printer surely that should be a concern for you given how much emphasis you put on numbers on a spread sheet?

I judge teams based on their patterns of play and little areas and signs in the performance, not purely on form. I championed saints and wigan when everyone was going on about leeds. Look at leeds defence, look at their points difference blah blah blah. But as the season has drawn on saints and wigan have got stronger, leeds weaker.

If anything you judge teams on small runs of form, you're still dining out on leeds decent start to the season.